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beowabbit ([personal profile] beowabbit) wrote2004-09-09 05:09 pm

Weird political story: released Bush Guard memos likely forgeries

So, I saw the news articles about the release of memos from (and one presumably from) George W. Bush's commander in the Texas National Guard in 1972 that suggest that he did in fact disobey an order to get a physical and had somebody pushing for lenient treatment for him and to "sugar coat" (according to one memo) reports about him.

One of those stories had a link to a PDF of four of the memos, dated 1972 and 1973. Here's one such link. When I first looked at those memos, I thought it was very strange that the memos were in a proportional font. There was a typewriter in moderately common use then that could do proportional spacing, the IBM Executive, but I don't remember its typeface looking like these memos (although it's a bit hard to tell with the poor reproduction). Also, one of the memos had a centered header, which was extremely hard to do on an IBM Executive. They were hard to use; they would have been somewhat high-end things to find in a random National Guard office (outside of a publications group or something like that, where you could use them to produce professional-looking documents without having to have something typeset). So my first thought was "this thing doesn't look like it dates from 1972."

A post on BoingBoing, Cory Doctorow's blog, pointed out the same thing, and also called my attention to the fact that the fourth memo has "18th", with a small superscript th. That was not produced on a typewriter in 1973! But recent versions of Microsoft Word will helpfully do that for you if you just type "18th". In fact, in some of the other memos, "th" is separated from a preceding number by a space, which looks very strange, but would make sense if somebody who didn't know Word very well were trying to get it to stop doing that.

The short of it is that it looks like they were very amateurish forgeries.

The memos were evidently released by 60 Minutes. I read one allusion to them being released by the White House as well.

Here's some more information:

So the question is, who forged these memos and why? They look unflattering to Bush, so it seems unlikely that the Bush campaign or pro-Bush groups planted them. I personally think the Kerry campaign is above that sort of thing, but even if they weren't, I think they would have done a better job (even bearing in mind that stuff like this needs to be done by a very small group of people). It's not like typewriters are hard to come by. So, an independent anti-Bush group maybe? Or should we put our tinfoil hats on and assume the forgery was supposed to be discovered, or that the memos were supposed to distract from something else? (I suppose one much less sinister possibility is that somebody retyped the original memos, but then why would 60 Minutes try to pass them off as photocopies of the originals, and why would some of them have Killian's signature? Did any of you see the actual 60 Minutes piece?)

Anyway, I detect weirdness ahead.
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[personal profile] ceo 2004-09-09 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
The forgery allegation has been going around, but if that's the case you'd think the White House would be making that claim, which they're not. Indeed, they evidently released those same documents shortly after CBS did. Josh Marshall has more on this.

[identity profile] ayse.livejournal.com 2004-09-10 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
I doubt it was the Kerry camp, because it looks far better for Kerry if there are parts of the President's record which have been scrubbed clean -- you can only guess what's in there.

The memos really only help the Bush camp. Either they're real and the story is old news that the press keeps harping on and the American people don't care about, anyway, or they're fakes and somebody's trying to frame the President. If it appears to the public that Kerry's fighting dirty, they'll let the President retaliate.

Who really cares about the President's military record? I mean, we knew he was a coke-sniffing drunk and hypocritical fundy when we went to vote last time. Is that such a mild infraction that going AWOL somehow makes him more unpalatable?

[identity profile] moechus.livejournal.com 2004-09-10 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
My theory is that the Republicans are behind the forgery so that they can portray the Kerry camp as evil slime who will stoop to anything (including forgery) "to bring down our president." The fact that they're unflattering to Bush is irrelevant once they've been exposed as fakes. Indeed, it helps pin the blame on the democrats.

This fits in with another theory I have long held, which is that every night Bush, Cheney and Rove meet in the oval office, light a candle, join hands, and summon the spirit of Lee Atwater. After all, this goes beyond mere power lust and veniality, and lack of morals. This requires true twistedness, a quality Atwater possessed in abundance.

[identity profile] moechus.livejournal.com 2004-09-10 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I was of course being a bit facetious. Whether the Bush camp's can plausibly use the documents to smear the dems depends on obvious the forgeries are. Initial reports indicated very obvious. There may well be explanations that will make it less obvious. These explanations will be ignored by Limbaugh and co. but they preach only to the converter and to infiltrators seeking amusement (such as myself).

Ain't nothing wrong with conspiracy theories and tinfoil hats. They're often more amusing than reality. I can't help looking at the Weekly World News occasionally. After all, the mainstream press was too squeamish to point out the real connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda (that Saddam and Osama were lovers).

[identity profile] eor.livejournal.com 2004-09-10 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
60 Minutes has in the past created TV palatable versions of documents it obtains in its research.

Remember a few years ago when someone (can't remember who) got raked over the coals for giving 60 Minutes "Top Secret" information. It turned out, he gave them declassified information. The only thing that said top secret was the page 60 Minutes created for visual effect to splash behind their announcer when he was talking about the story.

Could the memo have been a handwritten note that never go typed until 60 minutes needed to have it legible for viewing? Who knows, but it's possible and way more simple than complex conspiracies.

[identity profile] jacflash.livejournal.com 2004-09-11 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
This theory won't wash. There are several huge problems with the memos besides the fact that they were typed in MS Word.

For instance, to quote The Wichita Eagle,The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" President Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo was supposedly written, his own service record shows. (http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/special_packages/election2004/9633814.htm) Read the whole thing -- it's enlightening.

Instapundit, et al, have plenty more.

My guess is that it was cooked up by this "Texans for Truth" 527. If it was in fact cooked up by the Kerry campaign, then they should be out of business before long.

Whatever happens, it's fun watching Dan Rather and The Boston Globe walk the plank for Kerry.

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[identity profile] jacflash.livejournal.com 2004-09-11 10:55 am (UTC)(link)
Per ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/NotedNow/Noted_Now.html), Maj. Gen. Hodges now says he was "misled" by CBS and that he now believes the documents were "computer generated" and are "a fraud".

One can hope that this story will put to rest once and for all the idea that leftward bias in the mainstream media is a "myth", but I suspect that that idea will die even harder than Dan Rather's career.

[identity profile] eisa.livejournal.com 2004-09-10 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi,
I want to go to your event tonight. Unfortunately, thanks to electrical problems in my apartment, I lack internet access. I have very limited time on a library computer right now and more later. Can you e-mail me a phone number I can reach you at to figure out travel and stuff? slarsen42 @ gmail.com. I need to disappear very soon but can check it again later (hopefully.)
Thanks.

(Anonymous) 2004-09-11 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, the forgeries story has been debunked. These documents are
probably real. The attributes that are supposedly "fake" appear throughout
Bush's NG records, so if these memos are fake, so is his entire NG record.

See the link below, and please pass this on to your friend:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/10/34914/1603

Roxanne